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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2010, 06:02:51 PM »

Heya Carsot

Abs cleared it up perfectly
The Breakeven is the score the player needs to score in his next game to maintain his price!

(All breakevens will be set out for all players by use of a chart for you so don't stress out using Lozza's maths)!

Essentially though it works like this -

A player's price does not change till they have played 3 games - before calculating breakevens i will explain to you how to calculate new prices as it is vital you understand this.

Players ongoing weekly scores are calculated using a formula being 75% of last price + 25% of his 3 games rolling average.

 "magic divisor" is 5.312

You calculate the magic number by dividing his price $500'200 by his average 94.16 = 5.312 approx - with me still?

So let's assume the player's starting price is $500'200 and the 3 rounds he scores 97, 65 and 119 = 281 that is the sum of the rolling 3 game scores (average is 93.67) - Right!

The calculation of his price is as follows:
 Starting price - $500'200 x 75% = $375'150 this base will be added to
The rolling 3 game average = 93.67 x 5.312 = $497'575 x 25% =$124'394

Thus new price is $375'150 (75% starting price) + $124'394 (25% of rolling average)  = $499'550

So the breakeven is the score he needs to achieve in the next game to maintain the 3 game average

You need to remember that the first score no longer counts so the 97 is dropped off when calculating the rolling average for the next game hence 65+119+? to = his breakeven
Thus his breakeven is his previous sum of 3 games  =  281 - (65 + 119) = 97 - Voila we have the Breakeven!

Let's say he scores 97

So the breakeven for the next game is 281 - (119 + 97) = 65
The players breakeven is 65 to maintain his average - if he scores 120 his price will rise if he scores 40 his price will drop - i hope that i have not confused you here Carsot.

Remember try a few sums to get yourself into the groove of calculating the Breakeven - the table will make it easy for you but I thought I'd give you the detail - sorry guys - wordy again!

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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2010, 06:09:57 PM »


Brilliant stuff! That will help a lot.

This means that for say Tom Scully, all he needs to do is average 34 or more to rise in prices, and someone like James Podsialy only 16 points

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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2010, 06:17:39 PM »

This means that for say Tom Scully, all he needs to do is average 34 or more to rise in prices, and someone like James Podsialy only 16 points

Yeah that's right Ossie!
Thank God my rant made some sort of sense!
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 10:04:36 AM »

Thanks for this Lozza. Its a great read.

Just want to make sure i got the formula right. For Gary Ablett Jr to break even over the first 3 rounds he needs to score 140 a week or his price will drop?

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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2010, 07:02:51 PM »

Heya Tigland

Welcome, Ablett does need to score 140 rolling 3 week average to maintain his average.

He may however, maintain this average and his score still drop if Champion Data lower the "magic number" - they appeared to lower the magic number last year from an opening pricing of 5.391, inexplicably dropping this to approx 5.0 - 5.1 range.

The player pricing at the start of this season was not consistent with their price divisor during the '09 year.
Thus we found the pricing number changed to 5.312 - at least we were able to afford more premiums/midrange players (comparable to '09), the downside was the rookie increase (again) across the board - like bank interest rates or something!

This was done, possibly to "mix things up" - it made many players more affordable obviously.
It's a bit like "the biggest looser" changing rules when they want to.

In the end it's probably not important! Just shows that i dedicate too much time to this i suppose.

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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 08:10:58 PM »

will you please give us the link to this article it looks like it is going to be a good one
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 08:13:22 PM »

will you please give us the link to this article it looks like it is going to be a good one
If you're talking about the trading article it can be found here:

http://yoursupercoachcoach.com/blog/lozza/uncategorized/trading-an-insight-from-the-maestros/
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2010, 05:56:19 PM »

Lots of good ideas have already been posted here so I'll just expand on the most recent point to be made re: trading in the first 3 rounds.

I ALWAYS use 2 trades before that first price change. This isn't strictly a rule but I always end up doing it...

Why? If you're in it to win it you would've taken some risks. After all big risks that pay off can win you the 50k! But with risks come both success and failure.

I often find myself with somebody already injured/not working out/not getting the expected game time/playing a role I wasn't expecting that's less lucrative, etc.

There are many ways in which a pick can go sour and before the first price change is the best time to turn them into gems that you've missed out on. And as much as you try - there will always be a few gems that you missed out on in your opening team.

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Yeah I have to agree with you here Marus.  Ive been talking about this with some friends, and they are strong believers in keeping trades for at least rounds 5 or 6 to get an idea of form, but I too take these risks, and will bank on making a couple of trades before values change.  For example I took a punt on wells last year and ... yes you can guess it I dumped his arse round 2!
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2010, 08:58:32 PM »

...For example I took a punt on wells last year and ... yes you can guess it I dumped his arse round 2!
And you can do the opposite and deliberately not pick players (Franklin anyone...?) to see how they start
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2010, 07:50:14 AM »

Just quietly Watto, franklin isnt in my team, even though Im a hawks supporter, and think he is a bargain.  I will probably trade to him if one of my other "risks" dont really pay off...
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2010, 03:51:34 PM »

Personally, I try not to get too enticed by the round 3 price change unless, like Marcus pointed out, you have made an obvious selection mistake. Sure, there will be rookies who will jump in price after round 3 but that alone isn't enough to entice me to get them in - for me, 'bubble' trades have to solve two problems at once: Firstly, not having that young gun rookie and secondly, having that mid-priced spud that has to be removed (Malceski / Raines anyone....?). Two weeks isn't much of a form line though so making a trade still carries some risk of failing ... which after all is the beauty of supercoach!

Last year I was fortunate not to make a trade until round 5, which set me up nicely for the season. Mind you, I did carry some spuds which I should have axed after two rounds (yes, you guessed it ....Malceski & Raines). Love these little faces  Smiley Shocked Grin Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2010, 05:26:24 PM »

Just quietly Watto, franklin isnt in my team, even though Im a hawks supporter, and think he is a bargain.  I will probably trade to him if one of my other "risks" dont really pay off...
Exactly the same for me
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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2010, 05:35:06 PM »

top thread - cheers for the advice everyone
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